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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.07.11 18:39:29 -
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om rootingking wrote:On the other hand it's also the dawn of a more direct P2W eve than previously. 2011: CCP releases virtual clothing, and hints at the possibility of specially coloured/effect-laced ammunition...EVE citizens literally riot...
5 years later...
2016: SP is bought/sold for RL $$$. A 3 day old character becomes the first to max every skill in EVE just to prove he can. People cheer/applaud, or at worst sit apathetic and say "meh".
And people wonder why we turn into angry bitter-vets... |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.07.11 20:59:15 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:om rootingking wrote:On the other hand it's also the dawn of a more direct P2W eve than previously. 2011: CCP releases virtual clothing, and hints at the possibility of specially coloured/effect-laced ammunition... EVE citizens literally riot...5 years later... 2016: SP is bought/sold for RL $$$. A 3 day old character becomes the first to max every skill in EVE just to prove he can. People cheer/applaud, or at worst sit apathetic and say "meh". And people wonder why we turn into angry bitter-vets... If you have that kind of money, you're not paying to win Eve, you've already won it. And if you do that with a CC you're just an idiot the rest of us can extort, rob and scam. Or in other words, a Crime and Punishment comedy thread waiting to happen. It's really no different than the character bazaar with a couple of exceptions (character age means nothing for instance). I just watch all the extractors and injectors getting blown up on Zkill and laugh. Are you saying that the monocle was more game-impacting in 2011, so the riots were OK? Or has something fundamental about the structure of the universe changed since then?
Just interesting how fast everybody did a complete 180 on micro-transactions in general - and on game-altering ones specifically. Obviously you can't "win" eve - so it will never be truly "pay-to-win" - but it is certainly becoming more of a "pay for ridiculous advantages" system - and it is being pushed harder than ever before.
Additionally, that is true of most games that are considered pay-to-win. None of them actually let you just *pay* and *win* - They are all scams designed to keep idiots funneling more and more real-world money into them for perceived advantages that ultimately aren't enough, so the cycle continues. I find it disheartening that EVE has chosen to go down this development path - and even more disheartening that nobody has a problem with it. |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.07.12 10:50:00 -
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So once again then, why were there riots in 2011?
Was all of EVE insane back then and we've weeded out all the insane people and become saner now?
Again - it is the *change* that is startling, not the fact that CCP is copying other games to rake in $$$
Also, if sp is *bought* for RL $$$ it means somebody is *selling*. It may not be direct, but it is still bought *and* sold. CCP just gets the $$$.
Also look at some of the shuttle losses lately and tell me again people arent RMTing it. Go ahead... |
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:12:59 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Izi Ningishzidda wrote:Same with skill injectors - it offers an unavoidable advantage, and adults with good paying jobs who have no sense of fair play are going to have to go for it. Just as they could buy highly-skilled characters beforehand, and still can buy them now. So where's the beef? high-skill characters were pretty rare on the character exchange - and even then the absolute max was ~200m sp that was *not* focused into only the specific skills you wanted.
The character also had its own history and could be tracked through the forum posts/etc. Everybody knew it had lots of sp, as well as that someone had purchased it.
If you can't see how that is different than skill injectors....I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.
I am well aware I'm in the minority on this issue, and I'm not even saying you guys should change your minds. I'm just a dinosaur from the old EVE. Happy SP injecting |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.07.19 19:30:31 -
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Areen Sassel wrote: If I see a 3-day old pilot in a T3 now I know it has lots of SP. Whether someone buys their skillpoints in bulk or a la carte, if they're flying an expensive ship, they probably-but-not-definitely have a lot of SP invested in it. No change there.
It makes a difference even if they aren't in an expensive ship - but sure it isn't a huge change in real combat situations.
Areen Sassel wrote: Everybody did not, of course, know that someone had purchased it, unless you're in the habit of writing down every name in the character bazaar just in case it turns up in Local at some point.
Clearly you have never heard of the "search" feature...
@ Sitting Bull Lakota - the assorted rants/eve news articles/etc regarding the old riots are still around if you care enough to search. I assure you it was centered on EVE's transformation into a p2w scheme game, not CCP continuing to ignore game mechanics as they had consistently done since the game was created.
My personal theory as to why there are no riots currently is simple: Those players quit. The active EVE player base is less than 50% of what it was then. And a lot of the remaining population are new characters. None of you arguing with me was even playing anywhere *near* 2011. You never played the game as it was then, and you never will. |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.07.20 15:24:38 -
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And yet, you *still* avoid my question then: Why, according to *you* were there riots in 2011 then?
You keep just ignoring this. If nobody ever cared about EVE moving towards Pay-To-Win - why did they riot about it in 2011?
Ignoring the entire question is also poor debating technique. Answer it or shut up. |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.07.21 19:08:54 -
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Yeah.... Riots over the mere threat of Pay-2-Win items in 2011 clearly bear no relation or even similarity to the actual release of Pay-2-Win items in 2016.... How could anyone ever think they were similar...
PLEX is a special case for a few reasons: #1 - The monetary advantage was offset by the hard SP limits that were in place at the time. #2 - The actual game advantage of the PLEX *item* went to the people in-game who *did not* spend RL $$$ on it. So the opposite of normal p2w.
Not that I expect you to understand either of those points, however painfully simple/obvious they may be to normal humans - because you are clearly either just trolling at this point or you are just a clueless idiot.
In either case, I'm tired of talking to you, so I'm going to stop following this thread. Have fun trolling yourself here as I'm sure you will |
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